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Sounds and looks like --POLITICS as Usual in CHICAGO! Nothing changes here!

rick--its MILLION--not Billion--but maybe you are useing the new math--OBAMAMATH! Like the 9 pairs of shoes that they--OBAMAS people turned into 900 jobs!

Daley has made MILLIONS from the FEDS for many years--and funds that SHOULD be going into the S.E.SIDE or the WEST SIDE--or the other depressed areas just doesn't!

DO you know the life of a car on the Dan Ryan Expressway---Break down between 31st street and 95th street--leave YOUR car to get help--45 seconds--SOMETHING will be stripped off before you can get back with a tow truck--that is if the CROOKS already HAVEN'T got it via their own wrecker!

GOTTA make money some how!!

jscusmc69 LT U.S.C.D.F.

No doubt most of the money went to Obama's cronies in the private sector

any real proof, ir just another false accusation?

jdoyle----DRIVE into the areas I talked about and SEE for yourself--OR try to get the disbursments of the money LIKE I AM under the FREEDOM of INFORMATION act---I'm in CHICAGO want to come and PLAY!!

ROFLMAO---YA Rick--Obama and his trash really DO know FUZZY MATH!! When I first started seeing the CLAIMS ---JOBS created--OR better YET JOBS SAVED I really looked--HOW and I have asked several friends of mine WHO TEACH ECONOMICS at Northwestern in Evanston--the college I went to for my Degree in Business Management they SHAKE their HEADS and almost as one say--YOU CAN NOT TRACK JOBS SAVED.

NOW lets look at the Clowns claim about UNEMPLOYMENT--10.2%--ANOTHER LIE. ADD all the various states TOTAL UNEMPLOYMENT figures and AVREAGE THEM OUT and you are ALMOST at 18% EXAMPLE---15+13+11+12=12.75% NOW do this for EVERY STATE!

Thanks for the lik I WILL!

jscusmc69 LT U.S.C.D.F.

jscusmc69

The stimulus is panning out to be the joke I saw it as back in January. The feds are bull@!$%#ting about the job numbers and newspapers nationwide are calling them on it.

YA FUNNY how seeing RIGHT THROUGH MR TRANSPARENT has come true! OBAMAS lies and STUPIDITY are catching UP with him---WON'T be any second term--and with the --"CHANGE" coming in 2010---HE MAY not even finish this one!

NV is still upto the same ond SH*T--I see YOU were collapsed FOR NO REASON!!

jscusmc69 LT U.S.C.D.F.

I see YOU were collapsed FOR NO REASON!!

here is why it was collapsed:

I'd probably have talked my way to a taxi ride home, but the 98 would have been spick food.

I see YOU were collapsed FOR NO REASON!!

The bigoted comment here is why it was collapsed:

I'd probably have talked my way to a taxi ride home, but the 98 would have been spick food.

rickace was collapsed because he made a racist comment. No surprise considering the source.

So I got collapsed because I used a non-PC word? Too bad. I consider thieves to be the scum of the earth. It's unfortunate that you lefties see defending them as a worthwhile cause. If I referred to Mohammed Atta and his boys with a similar slur you'd rush to their their defense as well, no doubt.

No rickace, you got collapsed because you used a racist epithet. We consider people who use racist epithets to be the scum of the earth no matter what ethnic slur they are currently using and we mark their comments as imflammatory and collapse them.

Wheel

We consider people

And who exactly is "we"? When you see something that doesn't fit your model of political correctness, do you send out a message on an email list to call in the troops to collapse? Just wondering.

who use racist epithets to be the scum of the earth

So all my charitable work and tens of thousands of dollars of donations have been erased because of one word. An odd value system indeed you have there.

I don't give a @!$%# what cowards who hide behind contrived screen names care think of me. Go bite someone else's ankles please.

So all my charitable work and tens of thousands of dollars of donations have been erased because of one word.

Right wingers often use this type of lie to justify selfishness and bigotry.

MAN oh MAN---YOU people collapsed RICK for that---AND YOU DON"T SAY ANYTHING about the TRASH that the likes of TENNY,SAMPSON or others POST---WHAT a BUNCH of HYPOCRITS!

IF you look I in many posts have said this---"A SPADE IS A SPADE'--SO does that mean IM CALLING someone the ---(PC)--N-WORD---SOME could TRY and argue that is a RACIAL STATEMENT!

Iv been called WORSE by many of the --"GOOD PEOPLE" of newsvine AND HAVE YET to see ANY of them suspended,COLLAPSED or even SOME here say ANYTHING---

Remember this----------

Watch your thoughts, they become words.
Watch your words, they become actions.
Watch your actions, they become habits.
Watch your habits, they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes...your destiny.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

R.J.Wiedemann.LtCol.USMC Ret.

jscusmc69 LT U.S.C.D.F.

Yes it was collapsed by a bigoted comment.
If you dont like it take it up with the staff.

jdoyle

Right wingers often use this type of lie to justify selfishness and bigotry.

What do left-wingers use to justify selfishness and bigotry? Just wondering ...

If you dont like it take it up with the staff.

LOL that's a joke. I've taken matters up with the staff, like this CoH violation and this one as well. Scroll down on both and notice no staff so much as made one comment. There's one set of rules here for lefties, and another for righties. For us righties, reporting violations is a waste of time.

What do left-wingers use to justify selfishness and bigotry?

Why should we justify something that doesn't really exist?
Your comments prove your bigotry.

And who exactly is "we"?

Clearly that would be me and any others who collapsed your despicable comment, haven't you been paying attention? We're talking about your blatantly racist comment here. What are you talking about?

So all my charitable work and tens of thousands of dollars of donations have been erased because of one word.

Racists can be charitable I suppose, look at this thing with the Catholic church. They want the right to be discriminatory with their charity. Do you suppose that any amt of charity gives you the right to make racist comments? So how much do you pay to use the 'n' word? What about 'beaner' is that a misdemeanor? Just 5 bucks in the red bucket?

In short, don't come self rightgeous after a clear @!$%# up. You made a racist comment, you got called on it. Now you're trying to justify it instead of just admitting you @!$%#ed up.

As for the whining I see about how 'staff is all right wing', stuff it. Staff is fair and you're being called on your bigoted, racist, hateful language. Don't like it, too bad.

Count me as part of the "we" that is repulsed by your reflexive use of racist statements and epithets. You give republicans and conservatives a bad name. Too bad they lack the minerals to tell you that themselves.

Wheel

Do you suppose that any amt of charity gives you the right to make racist comments?

You call it racist, I call it a slur against the thieves who exploited innocent, misfortunate stranded motorists on the Cross Bronx Expressway in the 1970s. If you knew me personally you'd know you could never in good conscience label me a racist. Among my other charities, I donate financially to the Southern Poverty Law Center to combat racism and hate crimes. You donate to them as well, yes? I also donate to the International Rescue Committee to provide relief for Iraqi refugees whose lives have been been sent into turmoil by the U.S. occupation. But hey, it was Bush's war right? No need for you to help them out even though your federal taxes helped pay to cause problems for them.

And in anticipation of your next misinterpretation, no I didn't mention who I donate to for the purpose of justifying anything. I did it to show that I'm not a racist as you so arrogantly insinuated in #2.18.

Racists can be charitable I suppose, look at this thing with the Catholic church.

My aunt is a devout Catholic and she's not a racist, nor are any other Catholics I know. Your bigotry against people of faith is duly noted. No problem there though, eh? It's quite PC so none of your buddies will call you on it.

In short, don't come self rightgeous after a clear @!$%# up.

You miusunderstand the reason I mentioned what I've done for the needy and poor. Hint: I wasn't attempting to justify anything. That's not suprising though, as lefties routinely distort what I say to further their own agendas. iarnuocon is a master at it, maybe you could take a few pointers from him.

You made a racist comment, you got called on it.

If you say so.

Now you're trying to justify it instead of just admitting you @!$%#ed up.

Really now? That's just a product of your fertile imagination, sport. Spin, spin, spin. Wheel is an appropriate sceen name, doncha think? :-)

As for the whining I see about how 'staff is all right wing', stuff it.

You're projecting and misinterpreting again. I don't whine.

Staff is fair

Really now? Explain to me then why when I followed the CoH and reported violations (see #2.16) they were ignored. On a handful of occasions when I crossed the line I got hammered by Tyler and even suspended. On one instance he distorted a rude remark of mine against one obnoxious female poster into misogyny (hatred of all females). Don't try to tell me there's no damned bias.

Don't like it, too bad.

Isn't there a Sarah Palin thread around where you can go to player-hate on her? That would be a lot more fun now, wouldn't it?

dwillie

You give republicans and conservatives a bad name.

Only among anonymous leftie bigots, and about that I could care less.

Isn't there a Sarah Palin thread around where you can go to player-hate on her? That would be a lot more fun now, wouldn't it?

You made a racist comment, you got called on it.

If you say so.

I say so. Everyone else says so. You long post trying to minimize what you did without admitting you made a racist comment says so. You rambled on for quite a bit and still failed to just say, "I made a mistake."

You're projecting and misinterpreting again. I don't whine.

Yeah, you do.

You @!$%#ed up ace. No amt of bull@!$%# and trying to parse and disect will change that basic fact.

Ricklace:

it wasn't thief that was the problem is was "s%$^k". That is a bad word for hispanic people, just like many other bad names. Saying that breaks the coh and the community collapsed it which was really a break for you because otherwise it would have been deleted, So don't use racial slurs and you will be fine.

H0w can you have driven on that road and claim not to know that that word is a slur. What were you in a bubble?

Wheel

You @!$%#ed up ace.

Dude, what set you off? The first paragraph in #2.20 perhaps? Does it rile you that an unemployed conservative cares about such matters and actually puts his money where his mouth is?

You long post trying to minimize what you did without admitting you made a racist comment says so.

LOL, you should call yourself the Spinning Wheel. I'm not trying to minimize anything. Doing so would be tantamount to kowtowing to the myriad of anklebiting leftie Viners who despise me and certain other literate conservatives who don't need talking points because we actually have our own original thoughts (gasp!).

Quantity is no substitute for quality. You and your anonymous and righteously indignant "everyone else" are just not as important as you think you are. But if it makes you feel better, feel free to call me a superstitious believer. I promise I won't tattle to Tyler :-)

millerb-1023348

Saying that breaks the coh and the community collapsed it which was really a break for you because otherwise it would have been deleted

A break for me? As if I could care about having a post deleted to further someone's PC agenda.

So don't use racial slurs and you will be fine.

Thank you for your feigned concern, but don't need to follow your rules to be "fine".

Poor ace, still trying to wriggle out of this mess eh?

Thank you for your feigned concern, but don't need to follow your rules to be "fine".

My concern is not feigned, I notice your respect for other people is feigned, thus this entire exchange. It's revealing that you don't even think you did anything wrong. Says a great deal about you dude, none if it good.

Wheel

Poor ace, still trying to wriggle out of this mess eh?

There occasional messes for me in cyberspace, but I don't "wriggle" out, I confront them head-on. This "mess" though is merely a product of your vivid imagination.

My concern is not feigned,

Read for comprehension please. That remark wasn't directed at you.

It's revealing that you don't even think you did anything wrong.

Most of what I think stays in my head, so you can't make that claim because you don't have access to the relevant facts. Arrogantly you do so anyway in the hope that your buddies will believe what you fabricate and serve up. That's not much of a game ya got there sport.

Says a great deal about you dude, none if it good.

See the last paragraph of #5.34. Then stop puffing up your chest and repeat after me:

rickace doesn't give a @!$%# about what Wheel thinks rickace's words say about rickace.

Is it starting to sink in yet? Even just a little bit?

rickace doesn't give a @!$%# about what Wheel thinks rickace's words say about rickace.

ace doesn't give a @!$%# about making racist comments and is getting tired of being called on them. Now repeat after me, "every time I make a racist comment on these boards I will get called on them because no one gives a @!$%# about hearing ace spouting racism."

Wheel

ace doesn't give a @!$%# about making racist comments and is getting tired of being called on them.

Tell your mom!

tyler

Point taken, and you've proven once again that Newsvine is first and foremost a liberal-friendly website. All non-PC activity will be met swiftly head-on. Slurs against people of Christian faith though (Jews, Muslims, etc. are of course protected) are routinely tolerated. We're "idiots", we're superstitious, we cheat on our spouses, etc. and no moderators so much as weigh in. This particular conservative reported two clear violations of CoH #1 directed my way recently, and you ignored both of them. No surprise there, as your reading list consists of articles like this and this which you've clipped to your column. "Let's see, enforce the CoH or go out for a latte. Hmm it's that conservative old white fart rickace reporting a violation, let him suck it up. The latte wins."

Now before someone distorts those words into a "whine", let me assure you they're not. I am merely pointing out that although there is one written CoH, there are in fact two sets of rules here when it comes to enforcement, one for the lefties and one for authors and posters like me. That's hardly a show-stopper though and it's even somewhat amusing.

From CoH#1:

If you see something disrespectful or inappropriate, report it

#5.35. Wheel implied that I am a racist, after I'd provided clear evidence in #2.20 to the contrary. Any problem?

I didn't think so. The GOP is racist, the Party of No, etc. No need to step in here.

Enjoy that latte, boss.

You provided evidence to the contrary? I think not, but keep wriggling ace, it looks good on ya!

Point taken, and you've proven once again that Newsvine is first and foremost a liberal-friendly website.

So being against bigoted ethnic slurs is liberal?
If so is any wonder that people think that right wingers are bigots?

Wheel

You provided evidence to the contrary?

Indeed I did. See the first paragraph of #2.20. Tell me now. Why would a racist donate to an organization that fights racism? If I were a racist I'd be shooting myself in the foot. If I were a racist I wouldn't have volunteered my time in the 1990s to escort black and latino boys in a residential rehab program to and from court appearances and doctors' offices. If I were a racist my best friend ten years ago wouldn't have been a lady in the Bronx who was a native of Puerto Rico.

Call me all the names you like, that doesn't make it true.

jdoyle

If so is any wonder that people think that right wingers are bigots?

Umm, because that's what the talking points you read tell you to think?

You amuse. There are dozens of anti-Republican, anti-Christian, and anti-conservative LEFT-WING bigots on my ignore list already because even if I did report them the moderators would just @!$%#-can my email. Any problem with them? Of course not.

Like I said, liberal-friendly.

rickace; you made a bigoted ethnic slur and you think that because you were confronted on it the site is anti conservative?

jdoyle

rickace; you made a bigoted ethnic slur

I'll give you that it was racial/ethnic, but clearly not bigoted as you can see from the first paragraph of #2.33. I did my day in the penalty box, now give it a @!$%#ing rest already. That goes for you too Wheel.

and you think that because you were confronted on it the site is anti conservative?

Actually my words were "liberal-friendly". "Anti-conservative" is a distortion you came up with on your own.

Hijacking the topic for your own agenda doesn't change the facts documented in #2.30 and #2.33 which are independent of my remark in #2.3. Try refuting those. If you can't stay on topic, don't bother responding.

rickace dont whine to us all that you got a time out for your comment. Its your fault you mad the bigoted ethnic slur not ours.

What ever happened to personal responsibility?

Why would a racist donate to an organization that fights racism

Good question. What proof do I have of that? On the other hand I have proof positive of racist remarks. I realize your understanding is limited but even you should be able to understand the difference there.

Let's go farther and assume you have made these donations. A guilty conscience can't be washed clean with money but you wouldn't be the first to try.

You see ace, here's the thing. Instead of admitting you @!$%#ed up and apologizing you tried to wriggle around and make it look like other than it clearly was. Next time, don't use ethnic slurs and when you do and get called on it, don't try to justify it or excuse it.

Wheel

What proof do I have of that?

None yet. Now I could scan and post some canceled checks and the paperwork from my volunteer assignments as evidence, but given that it doesn't matter to me whether you believe me or not, it's not worth the time.

Let's go farther and assume you have made these donations.

You'd be correct as well.

A guilty conscience can't be washed clean with money but you wouldn't be the first to try.

My conscience is between me and God, period. It's none of your damned business, nor that of anyone else one the Vine. It would be silly of me though to expect an atheist to comprehend that.

Instead of admitting you @!$%#ed up and apologizing

To whom? A bunch of car thieves from the 1970s? Since I never knew them they'd be impossible to locate.

Next time, don't use ethnic slurs and when you do and get called on it, don't try to justify it or excuse it.

The day I take orders from you is the day I eat my car.

Please review #2.35. I did my day in the penalty box. It's over whether you like it or not.

Detracking but if yall want to keep up the name calling, knock yourselves out.

jdoyle

Still can't stay on topic, eh?

Buh bye. Have fun yammering on with your buddy Wheel.

To whom? A bunch of car thieves from the 1970s?

The people of Hispanic descent that you insulted. It's a shame I had to point out to you who you insulted. It shows you don't feel that anyone should be insulted by your racist slurs.

As for eating your car, I'm sure it's more palatable than your words. As for orders, it's a shame I have to point out to you the difference between suggestions and orders but there's your limited understanding handicap looming again I suppose.

Still wriggling, still avoiding facing up to the truth eh?

I did my day in the penalty box. It's over whether you like it or not.

And you are still whining about it.

Wheel

The people of Hispanic descent that you insulted.

Are you a latino yourself, or just a shill for someone else?

I thought so.

Ever make friends with a struggling single mom from a six kid family from Puerto Rico with three kids who kicked her abusive Albanian husband to the curb, moved in to mom & dad's apartment where all four slept together in one bed until mom could find a 2BR in a needle park. Ever meet a struggling Catholic Latina who kept a cheery face and always put her three children first? Ever meet three kids who were so dear to me and their mom that our happiest hours were those we spent as friends where adults and children were peers?

I don't speak with her anymore, but I'll never forget the telephone call on December 24 that woke me up to the news that her father died of a heart attack.

On December 22, 1974 my Catholic fiancee's father died on the job of a heart attack as well.

I guess there is a god, eh hombre?

Are you a latino yourself, or just a shill for someone else?

I thought so.

No, thinking is something you're most definitely not guilty of. Racial slurs on the other hand you most definitely are guilty of. By that idiot logic of yours if you called someone a 'towelhead' then only arabic people should be offended by your racist remark. Stupid on the face of it. Keep wriggling.

Are you a latino yourself, or just a shill for someone else?

Some of my best things are sp%^ks"?

you have to have more than that old tired line.

Are you really not getting this or are you just trying to excuse yourself for using a racial slur?

with the exception of I think it is Colorado? Rural student graduation and exit exam rates are much worse. I think in Georgia for example something like 244 of the worst school districts out of 250 are urban. Rural America is becoming a forgotten wasteland--hope you all have saved your seeds. Nobody seems to give a damn about the rural people. The life expectancy of rural Americans is also worse than their urban counterparts. There is almost no healthcare and doctors are a rare as hen's teeth.

I personally don't get it how people can become so disconnected from where something as basic as their food and energy come from.

To which city were you referring Leafy?

dmkatt78

People do get out and leave these areas for good. It's possible and done every day.

and your point is? How do you suggest people get out of this?

millerb-1023348

and your point is? How do you suggest people get out of this?

You don't. You just starve and die. Getting "out of this" is a Disney dream, far fetched from what responsible American adults face on a daily basis.

I did it. It's called persistence and determination. You see I and my friends didn't whore ourselves out and get pregnant with a sperm donor at 14. Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't mean you should. I also kept around people who were positive. Stop being a whiny loser or you will be a fatass in the projects the rest of your life. That goes for the entire country. If you want change. Make it happen. You're holding yourself back. We all have obstacles. Jump them.

And I'll add once you get out, give back. It can be food, book, mentoring...whatever. Do what you sincerely can in your present season. Most importantly, avoid the presence and appearance of evil, make a sincere and controlled effort to raise your children (when you can afford them...i.e. on your income) carefully.

I got out too--but that is neither here nor there- I don't need a medal. I wanted to know what you thought could be done so more than one or two can get out. It isn't as simple as you make it seem. Not everyone has the same options..

It's simple. If you're young and don't do moronic things like become a parent as soon as you reach puberty, or commit felonies etc. you HAVE more options. Look at the obvious. 70% of black children born today are BASTARDS. This puts most of them at an instant disadvantage. Tough, the truth sucks. Stop doing crap that doesn't work. Many join the military and use it as a springboard. You may be TOO GOOD to do that, but it works for some. Many HCBUs and community colleges have prep programs for students whose schools were sub par. Oh, filing those papers is TOO MUCH WORK./ sarcasm.

And as stated before, give back. You get back what you give. You know the solutions. start working toward it.

Nothing worthwhile is easy. Some have more advantages than others. Life isn't fair...Get over it.

but the 98 would have been @#$% food.

moderator, please #2.3 has GOT to go NOW.

70% of black children born today are BASTARDS. This puts most of them at an instant disadvantage. Tough

"Bastards"? wow.

And all I can see from what you are saying is the Ayn Rand school of "I got mine Jack". NOt everybody can do the things you talk about. Some can. To say that anyone can? As I said before I don't need a medal and my wife and i have done what we can to help people move on. But not everbody is capable and that doesn't make them lazy as you make them out to be. The military will not take everybody. Not "Everybody" can do community college, many are stuck with horrible situations where they are stuck from very young ages being the caretaker of disfunctional parents and siblings and children of siblings in prision . Many are abused within inches of their lives and nobody gives a @!$%#.

Your compassion is overwhelming. Every religious teacher and philosopher in history worth their salt has said some version of what you do for the least of them you do for me, and judge not. So where do you come off so high and mighty calling others basically lazy idiots. You had some luck or some person who made you see there was another way--gratitude is what you need-not contempt and arrogance.You lucked out somewhere if you got out. Someone or something helped you. We all need some help sometimes.

Hey sometimes:

the truth sucks

Blame the victim. "It's their fault they are poor/got raped/went to crappy schools/were molested,ignored,abused/live lives of stealthy fear or sullen fury. I made it out because I'm so morally/mentally/spiritually superior to all these bastard children."

Did I get it about right there dmkatt?

geesh--the coldness is what is really scary.

Assuming you are not a rape victim, you have the choice NOT TO GET PREGNANT without a spouse. I've thrown the truth of cold water on you. Look up bastard in the dictionary. I didn't want bastards. I owe my children, family and community better than that. It's attitudes like yours that bring the community down. You have the choice NOT TO SELL CRACK. There's abuse everywhere, sad but true, but you can't save everyone. Some people have to overcome and save themselves. Look to people who are successful as you define it and learn from them.

You have the choice to take advantage of the opportunities around you. If there aren't any, make some. Or you have the choice to mope. It's not my fault if some don't want to be helped. Countless people do, thankfully. People from the ghetto who make it out, usually don't look back and don't return. They also don't talk about it.

No, I give back. Try encouraging people rather than pitying them. The whole country needs to toughen up and overcome their issues. I'll keep mentally tough and "cold" as you put it and enjoy my success. Children, especially, rise or sink to your expectations.

Oh, and btw. If a bunch of traumatized freed slaves who were raped, lynched and terrorized, whipped, separated forcibly from friends and family, thoughout their lifetime....(no, not the happy lie about slavery from Gone With the Wind or Jezebel or some whitewashed US public school history class)...who couldn't find their families often...who typically didn't have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of....valued education and built...GASP...a UNIVERSITY...WTH is the excuse of people today.

Yes, it just might be our fault.

Read about Booker T Washington, for example. That's a guy who fought tooth and nail to get out of mental and financial poverty. He took and made good opportunities for himself and others. Frederick Douglass managed to learn to read despite all odds and escape from his slave owners. The first self-made woman millionaire in the U.S. was...gasp! Madame CJ Walker. She made money by improving the health and appearances of others. Thank God she didn't roll over and cry..."I'm a poor oppressed female descendent of slaves."

Stop dishonoring ourselves and our ancestors.

millerb-1023348

moderator, please #2.3 has GOT to go NOW.

LOL can't escape the ever-vigilant eyes of the Thought Police. Why don't you report it as a fishy rumor to flag@whitehouse.gov?

I believe he was refering to the racist remark at the end.

Wheel is correct I was referring to a racist epithet used in that post that is a direct violation of the COH and frankly flat out ignorant and rude.

BASTARDS.

I know what it means, and to use it in the terms you use it in is the ultimate in blaming the victim. My wife was born a bastard, as were her siblings and as are all of our adopted children and many other people in the world, So you can take your fricking attitdude along with your dictionary definitions and shove them where the sun don't shine. No matter what one's biological parents did it is not a reflection on the child. So I really wish you would keep the blame where it belongs. Which is certainly never a baby. Your attitude that everyone can pull themselves up by the bootstraps is cruel and unrealistic. We all need help sometimes--every one--we are all human beings an have worth. That is what people need to hear. I understand that enabling is not the answer, I am not an idiot to be angrily railed at--but enabling is different from showing people that they have worth. The average IQ is 100--yes and we all have adaptive behaviors too--but we are never all going to be Booker T Washington or CJ Walker, or Bill Clinton--it isn't possible and that is ok--we don't have to be. SOme people need more help than others and all people need to at least have some hope and understanding that there even IS another way. YOu don't have to be cruel to not be an enabler, and blaming the victim only makes things worse.

Stop dishonoring ourselves and our ancestors.

being compassionate is never dishonoring-ever.

compassion, yes...but stupidity and weakness will kill a people. It's happening now.

That's fine about your choice...but BASTARDS or the blantly weak or stupid won't be married into my family. I don't condone that behavior and raise my kids not to. Get some standards and stop being a sheeple.

That's fine about your choice...but BASTARDS or the blantly weak or stupid won't be married into my family. I don't condone that behavior and raise my kids not to. Get some standards and stop being a sheeple

before I reply to this I want to be clear what you mean by this statement.

BTW Booker T Washington and Jesus Christ were bth bastards as well by your definition , especially if you combine your recommendations on ayn rand and the KJV.

Respect? After what you said about my wife and kids. ?? What planet are you from. oh so its ok for Booker T, but not my wife and kids, who are beneath your standards?

Why don't you actually READ the KJV or Ayn Rand before criticizing them

Listen kid, I read them when you were in diapers

.

I don't know if you are some sort of deluded house worker or a liberal

That's right you don't do you. Do you and now I might be a

twit white

what are you some kind of a racist.

Birds of a feather, apples don't fall far from the tree.

any other personal attacks you care to make--last refuge of a weak mind?
I was using your definition of bastard after you insulted my entire family with a nasty anachronism of a word, that is a demeaning and degrading when used in the fashion that you did. Beneath your standards? That is a joke, someone who demeans people because of the accident of their birth shouldn't be casting stones now should they.

You are a mean, name calling, person who uses people's parentage and race as a weapon to degrade them--and you question my standards for marrying a woman who didn't know her parents and for our adopting kids with no family- wow, I hope I never rise to your standards.(sarc)

I concur millerb. rickace's posting privileges should be suspended.

People seem to feel free to make all sorts of insults. It has nothing to do with being PC or not. It has to do with basic decency. You don't call people racial or gender slurs. There has been an assault on me here as well calling me and my family sub-standard because we were born out of wed-lock and adopted. I am still reeling over that . Blaming a person because of the accident of birth that their skin is the "wrong" color , or that they were born to the wrong mother as damaged sub-standard goods is really mean. I don't know what else to say about that.

millerb-1023348

People seem to feel free to make all sorts of insults. It has nothing to do with being PC or not.

Of course it does. Some Viners crap all over men and women of faith, labeling their beliefs superstition. None of the lefties seem to have a problem with that because it's PC to disparage Christians. Disparage a Jew, Muslim, or atheist though and there's hell to pay.

There has been an assault on me here as well calling me and my family sub-standard because we were born out of wed-lock and adopted. I am still reeling over that .

Oh, please. If you can't take the heat here perhaps you should refrain from posting then.

apples and oranges rickace. You used a racist epithet and it isn't the first time. The CoH does not allow me to address you with the appropriate and accurate label, but you never fail to provide a window into the house of your personal character. It is in desparate need of cleaning.

BTW, coming to the defense of christians is quite disingenuous for someone so intent on behaving in such an unchristian manner.

an unchristian manner.

So what does this mean other than attempt at being condescending?

I've read parts of the Bible and I've studied the history of the Church. I wouldn't be proud of either.

rickace, I see you're descending further and further. Trying to change the subject, trying to hide behind the church. You screwed up ace, just admit and move on.

No condescension here 2tail. I meant that behaving or not behaving in a christian manner has to do with forgiveness, patience, long-suffering, reigning in of spiteful speech and other concepts that non-christians would classify as characteristics of a good person. I did not say that these concepts were the exclusive purview of people who call themselves christian nor did I mean to imply that christians don't fall short of these concepts in very profound ways. I was simply pointing out rickace's cynical use of christianity as a defense of his boorish and sometimes racist offerings.

I'll be the first one to admit that few people obscure the teachings of Christ more effectively than christians. I myself have been guilty of not walking the talk (I'm not normally a turn-the-other-cheek kind of guy for instance) of christianity. I'm not christian because I'm perfect. I'm christian in part because I know that I have flaws that require divine forgiveness.

I am not a Christian at all , but that doesn't mean that I don't know right from wrong--and blaming a person for being born without a father is about the lowest thing, It blames a baby? How much lower can you get than that? Calling someone a bastard and saying they are lower than low because of that accident of birth is really damaging. Talk about being unChristian--then carrying on about pregnancy out of wedlock? Very ironic to say the least--Its not about being PC its about not being an @!$%#.

dwillie

You used a racist epithet and it isn't the first time.

Who asked you?

BTW, coming to the defense of christians

I wasn't coming to the defense of Christians. We were persecuted by Romans and fed to lions. How silly to think we need defense against anklebiters in cyberspace.

is quite disingenuous for someone so intent on behaving in such an unchristian manner.

Are you a priest or other authority on how Christians should behave? Do you place yourself on a throne next to God and claim the right to judge strangers below?

How arrogant.

Wheel

rickace, I see you're descending further and further.

Hmm, one collapsed article and a bunch of winners after that. I'd say I'm improving :-)

But we digress. Let's return to the topic of the five worst cities and how the president's harebrained and egregiously expensive "stimulus" which could have been of benefit to Chicago has fallen flat on its face.

For Chicago's zipcode of 60603, more than $800,000,000 in Recovery Act funds has been received, with a dismal 19 jobs created.

Eight hundred MILLION dollars and a mere 19 jobs to show for it. How sad for the desperate citizens who could have actually been helped. Instead the money likely went into the pockets of white-collar thieves.

You are clearly CINO, using christianity as a prop; either to provide cover for your hatred and ignorance, to manufacture umbrage and play the victim or to bludgeon. Your intellectually bankrupt strawman questioning will never obscure these facts.

If you bothered to read the article with your brain instead of your prejudices, you would question how such a large amount of money goes into one area code. You would look up the area code and realize that it happens to be City Hall, where the request originated and from where stimulus funds are distributed. In short the $800 million went to the whole city, not just one area code. Further, the City of Chicago identifies over 9,000 jobs created or saved with a goal of 16,000. Finally, the entire amount received from the stimulus has not yet been deployed. ABC used the lazy journalistic standards of FauxNews and since it presented the stimulus in a bad light, you are more than willing to accept it at face value which, given your reflex toward woefully obtuse mental meanderings, comes as no surprise.

dwillie

Did you cut and paste that or did you originate it on your own?

Still another attempt to wriggle out without admitting the truth ace? The more you squirm around trying to defend the indefensible the more guilty you appear.

Wheel

Still another attempt to wriggle out without admitting the truth ace?

Only in your vivid imagination.

The more you squirm around trying to defend the indefensible the more guilty you appear.

More spin. Since you haven't figured it out by now, I'll give you a clue. Why would I defend anything? I could give less of a @!$%# what you and your buddies think of me.

Only in your vivid imagination.

True, my imagination is vivid. But that has nothing to do with either your racist comment or your attempt to wriggle out by changing the subject and engaging in personal attacks.

. Why would I defend anything? I could give less of a @!$%# what you and your buddies think of me.

Clearly you have no respect for others and see nothing wrong with slinging racist comments. Thanks for the clarification. Let me give you a clue, expect to have this conversation every time you use a racist slur. And ace, nobody gives a @!$%# what a racist thinks about anything. Just some food for thought.

Wheel

... engaging in personal attacks.

Poor you! People here call me @!$%# all the time and I just shrug it off. "Sticks and stones can break my bones ..." If a few words on a computer screen strike you as "attacks" maybe Newsvine isn't your cup of tea after all.

Clearly you have no respect for others

More accurately, I have no respect for certain others. That includes thieves and the 200+ nitwits on my ignore list, and other bozos as well who will go unnamed for now.

And ace, nobody gives a @!$%# what a racist thinks about anything. Just some food for thought.

If I were a racist that might mean something. You really need to curb that imagination there, sport.

what Ricklace? are you proud of spouting a racist epithet--Do people who like saying those words think that it makes them seem like a big man, or a tough guy or something? Why would you want to say hurtful things like that? I don't understand. All using words like that does is make the person saying them look small and ignorant.

I am concerned about people using hurtful words because they spread ignorance and are more contaigeous than the flu. Call someone a name , then some kid picks up the word and gets shot over it. Or kills themself over it. Think I am exaggerating? think again.

You say SP%^k, or Ni%^$r or G&^k any one of those words in the wrong place and you are a dead kid, or you may have really hurt someone else that you say you care about and are not prejudiced against. Maybe a kid--you are ok with that?

If I were a racist that might mean something.

How is some black, hispanic or asian kid supposed to feel if they hear you saying that stuff? You think they will understand that a grown man saying this is NOT really a racist? yeah right.

If I were a racist that might mean something.

You use a racist epithet, you defend the use of racist epithets. Walks like a duck, looks alike a duck, quacks like a duck...

millerb-1023348

what Ricklace?

Sup sup millerb whoever you are.

are you proud of spouting a racist epithet

I'm proud of my parents and my family and the members of the armed forces of the United States who gave of themselves to build the nation that we Americans enjoy today. I'm proud of U.S. Marines like jscusmc69 who stand on a wall and say, "Nothing will happen to you tonight, not on my watch". I'm proud of African Americans like Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall in whose footsteps I can only imagine in walking, and Condoleeza Rice whose job as Secretary of State I cannot even begin to fathom. I'm proud of General Colin Powell who'd have been my choice in a heartbeat were he to have run for office - Dem or Pub - in 2008.

So put that "racist" @!$%# back in your pants, OK?

Do people who like saying those words think that it makes them seem like a big man, or a tough guy or something?

I dunno. Ask one and find out for yourself. Write to Ahnold. I could give less of a @!$%# who thinks I'm "tough".

I am concerned about people using hurtful words because they spread ignorance and are more contaigeous than the flu

Well I wish someone tossed a few hurtful words my way, because I know how to deal with them. The flu OTOH has presently got my sorry ass in chains. Tired of the common cold and want a bigger challenge? Bring on the flu. It's common human cold virus V2.0, and it has the feds @!$%#ting bricks. Read up on it on Wiki. You don't sneeze as much or cough quite as badly, but try to think or merely find ways to pass the hours. TV doesn't work, crossword puzzles don't either and forget about reading.

I saw my doctor today and he confirmed what I'd already diagnosed: flu. He offered to write scrip for Tamiflu, but also advised that it was very expensive (I have no insurance), and he couldn't promise relief. I decided to tough it out without patronizing the greedy suits who hold the patent. Go figure.

How is some black, hispanic or asian kid supposed to feel if they hear you saying that stuff?

I don't know, maybe your vivid imagination can come up with a scenario which you'll then fart out like Wheel does his own.

Sorry Rickace--I have very poor eyesight so that was not intentional so don't read anything into that. I am a veteran too--so what.
There are plenty of us. Doesn't mean all that much. Most people either got drafted, wanted to get out of Peoria, or wanted to go kill people. Big freaking deal. You don what they tell you to do and that is it.

I am sick of this cult of the super soldier. It is a myth built up to cover up the fact that we haven't been in a decent war in a really long time. So if you buy that crap go for it but understand at least that you are being manipulated by the likes of Bush and Cheney who managed to never step foot anywhere because they were too important.

I am not a retired veteran, didn't do 20, but you must have since you are so rah rah , and if you are too poor for a doc or script why don't you go to the VA?

I don't need to guess. Go to a bar in which you are not one. And call somebody that and wait and see.

millerb-1023348

I am sick of this cult of the super soldier.

So you whine to me to get your fix? I'm just a computer geek who's at best fired a few rounds at paper or aerial targets. I'd never made it past newbie.

So if you buy that crap go for it but understand at least that you are being manipulated by the likes of Bush and Cheney who managed to never step foot anywhere because they were too important.

Talking points. Got anything better there?

I am not a retired veteran, didn't do 20, but you must have since you are so rah rah

Not one day on the federal payroll.

and if you are too poor for a doc or script why don't you go to the VA?

Well now, that would be dishonest.

I don't need to guess. Go to a bar in which you are not one. And call somebody that and wait and see.

I haven't been to a bar for years. Maybe you could try it out and let me know how it goes for you.

OK sport?

guess you proved your point

By the way, all those communities Obama worked are worse today then when he arrived there.

Yes because 8 years of total failure under Bush caused the economy to nose dive.

jdoyle to bad YOU don't know what you are takling about. BUSH has NOTHING to do with the way CHICAGO or for that fact HOW any CITY spends the money they get. IT just so happens that CHICAGOS MAYOR and the city is one of the MOST CORRUPT in the nation AND HAS BEEN for as MANY years as I can remember. Dity crew patching a pot hole-----6 PEOPLE all getting paid TOP DOLLAR--ONLY one POOR SLOB really doing his job.

The feds have PAID $300.00 for a $10.00 HAMMER--and MANY other rip offs----CHICAGO spends the same $300.00 AND GET NO HAMMER and the $300 goes into some CRONIES pocket via a dummy company!! THATS the Chicago WAY!

YOUR IDOL--OBUMMER--WAS GROOMED in the CHICAGO ways--and IT shows!!

MEET me at HOMERUN Inn on ARCHER AVE and I"LL show ya OBUMMERS GREAT WORK!!

jscusmc69 LT U.S.C.D.F.

The feds have PAID $300.00 for a $10.00 HAMMER--and MANY other rip offs-

Yes in the Reagan years that was true.
http://howardgarcia.com/Articles/The_Reagan_Years.htm

Carter,Clitoon and STILL in the OBAMA admin!

I was still in when the $10,000 hammers came out--it was definitely Reagan time.

jdoyle--YOU still are a trip!! While in Vietnam--the first trip---I was issued a replacement--K-BAR. THE supply SGT. said LT try and NOT loose this one--I DIDN"T loose the FIRST one I left it in a DEAD VC---I would have used the TERM we did BUT the---NV PC COPS would not like the word gook----THAT K-BAR cost the MARINE CORP (as I found out many years later) OVER $600.00---the real value then was about $25.00. GUESS who was the PREZ---LBJ----GUESS who the Defense contractors investors were---SEVERAL DEMS who were in CONGRESS at the time---I will pull this info--AND POST IT as I find it STILL -----well again I can't say what I think---THE PC COPS---

Reagan at LEAST tried to stop the GOVERNMENT WASTE and RIP-OFFS unlike the ones I posted above---AND PLEASE stop trying to pass the BUCK back to BUSH---I didn't like MANY of the things he and DICK did either!

CHICAGO has a HUGE history of CORRUPTION going back to the DAY ir came into existence--DO some research on the WINDY.

AND this back and forth BLAME GAME as to the POOR education ETC I have read above---I HAVE friends who grew up in the CHICAGO PROJECTS--YA they are BLACK and IM WHITE. USED to go into the one at 39th and KING---some knew who were their fathers --SOME DIDN:T KNOW who their REAL MOTHERS were--THAT don't mean crap---IT is THE PERSON and their WANTING to be SOMETHING BETTER that does--MANY have NO AMBITION--the NANNY STATE takes TO GOOD CARE of them--SO why should they work! AND OBAMA is just adding MORE NANNY to them!

AND another thing BACK in the 60's MY HIGH SCHOOL class was the third one--BRAND NEW H.S. WE had several BLACK AMERICANS in it AND I went out with ONE of the most beautiful BLACK FEMALES I jhave ever seen---SHE put HALLIE BERRY to shame. WHILE in Camerron in the 70's I met and BECAME CLOSE friends with MANY BLACK AFRICANS--REAL AFRICANS---and still today are friends with them. ANY CLUE as to one of the MOST asked QUESTIONS tossed at me? Imagine being asked by a CHIEF JUDGE of their COURTS--YA I can prove everything I say to---"WHY do the BLACKS in your country BLAME the WHITES for the SLAVERY thing---IT WAS THE AFRICANS OWN PEOPLE WHO SOLD THEM to the europieans--NOT your people!

Im done ----YOU all can ARGUE,CALL NAMES etc--I don't care---YOU can BLAME ANYONE you want for the LACK of ---WHAT EVER YOU WANT----IT still comes down to the PERSON WANTING TO BETTER THEMSELVES.

jscusmc69 LT U.S.C.D.F.

jdoyle--YOU still are a trip!!

and YOU are STILL a BIGOT.

Gook? why would you want to call someone a Gook? For shock value? We are not shocked --guess what we all know these words yet choose not to use them because they are offensive--mean-spirited and against the COH. Its not some special thing for you and your Marine Corps Buddies. As a matter of fact I am certain that plenty of American Military who fought in Viet-Nam would also be offended by your sloppy speech. There are plenty of easy ways to get rise out of people to attract attention to yourself. You need not resort to cruel language to get it.

You seem really angry--all the time--always needing that adrenaline boost--maybe the military did this to you. I think it is really hazardous to your heart health.

One of our friends was a point man. He was never ok when he got back. He robbed banks until he got caught (first he lived in ALaska and VT for a long time) He never spent any of the money. He hid it in a can in ALaska, then when he got out found out that they had made a landfill over it. He took the rap for a ton of other bank jobs they were trying to clear --he didn't care. When asked why he did it since he never spent anything, he said it was that planning it out and doing it was the only thing that made him feel alive. He died young--I think he was 60 maybe, alone and broke in Beleize. Some people just seem to become addicted to adrenaline.

Gook? why would you want to call someone a Gook? For shock value? We are not shocked --guess what we all know these words yet choose not to use them because they are offensive--mean-spirited and against the COH. Its not some special thing for you and your Marine Corps Buddies

I guess you had to be there. (I was there.)

I think it's a credit to the human spirit that it helped to dehumanize the enemy as much as possible before you slaughtered him as the "good" citizens in your country sent you to do.

I guess you were dehumanized courtesy of the US government--I am not proud of what we did to the men , women and children of Viet-Nam, and I was an AF medic and my brother is married to a Lao woman who is now dying because she has the same damage to her system from @!$%# in the water at our last base. I only have to get a double auto-renal transplant this month (I will be the 9th person to ever have this for my condition) as unlike her my damage was to the kidney not the brain--the military isn't paying for it either as it is not considered service related and they are having to get charity to pay what the military won't pay for her treatment despite him being a 22 year vet and first shirt.

I think it is you and many others that were dehumanized and I am embarrassed about a lot of what MY military has done to many people in other countries and to our own people who think it is a good thing to dehumanize others.

One of my children is named after our dying friend from Laos and I am that she will carry her name. And if anybody ever called her a gook? that would be their loss as she is an amazing strong person who survived hell in a hand basket and not just for a few "Tours"--it was her life and her whole family's life.

I think it is you and many others that were dehumanized and I am embarrassed about a lot of what MY military has done to many people in other countries and to our own people who think it is a good thing to dehumanize others.

We agree.

Thomas Jefferson and Dwight Eisenhower warned us about this. Our federal government and military are completely out of control.

And I would no longer use the term gook. I was then an 18 year old kid brainwashed by our out of control government.

millerb-1023348

Sorry , I don't get the "disney" reference or the rest of it really.

How sad is that.

What I meant was how do you see America's Urban young people getting out of this mess they are brought up in?

Well, maybe they won't. Or maybe Hitler V2.0 will conscript them. It's kind of a no-brainer because they're all tuned in to the same broadcast, eh?

wow-ricklace --would I need a Glenn Beck super cry-baby-secret-translator to understand this?

millerb-1023348

wow-ricklace --would I need a Glenn Beck super cry-baby-secret-translator to understand this?

I didn't get the memo. Who's Glenn Beck?

Thank you for posting this speech as a reference!

Ahh, Bill Cosby. Wise man. He speaks the truth which none can deny.

HEAR THAT MILLERB? TRUTH!

I have much respect for him because he is using this season of his life to try to turn the culture and values around. I hope that I can be as effective.

Ahh, Bill Cosby. Wise man. He speaks the truth which none can deny.

dmkatt: which has NOTHING TO do with the EVIL SPEW you posted--Couldn't be more different--what you said was base, prejudiced and nasty. I Don't see Bill Cosby calling any one a WHITE TWIT? or a BASTARD . So you have zero to be proud of in your racist, blaming, rant.

That's right. I say it loud. I'm Black and Proud. I put my children's and community's priorities and needs before others. Why not? Everyone else does. Oh, right massa trained you not to do so or think this way. You're a self loather. While everyone should follow the golden rule...multiculturalism is a crock...preached by people who want the concepts to apply to everyone....but those in power.

Stay on topic. The cosby speech disproves you poor me "liberal twit, liberal white endorsed"...shock I said it again... BASTARDS are ok, and you have no recourse but to deal drugs @!$%# you preach.

Now when the white folks you think you're friends with drops your ass when it's socially necessary....pick up Malcolm X's autobiography.

dmkatt78

You make perfect sense.

I too came from a type of ghetto, probably not as bad as yours, but it was a cultural and literacy deprived backward rural America with a tyrannical abusive father. I was a smart ass and finally drafted to serve in Vietnam. I had to put my tail between my legs and learn a lot…and am still learning. I may not agree with much of society/culture/politics but this is the hand I was dealt so I play it. It seems you do the same.

I have been successful beyond my dreams but I was also lucky.

Stay on topic. The cosby speech disproves you poor me "liberal twit, liberal white endorsed"...shock I said it again... BASTARDS are ok, and you have no recourse but to deal drugs @!$%# you preach.

Now when the white folks you think you're friends with drops your ass when it's socially necessary....pick up Malcolm X's autobiography.

What do you think gives you the right to tar an entire race?
That is racism at its finest.

The Cosby speech would disavow your racial disparagement in a hot second. To think that what you are saying is the same as what Cosby was saying is nothing short of delusional. I came out of circumstances probably as bad if not worse than yours but so the frig what? I had advantages that others didn't have.

That my wife and I CHOSE to adopt those people you see yourself as better than? So what--that is what Jesus said. "what you do for the least of these, you do for me". He didn't come for the saved (those who were already on the mark) He sat around and broke bread with people you find it ok to despise. Your words talk of compassion and spit hate. We have a word for that in Laos. Literally translated "sweet mouth, sour a$$".

There is also a word for it on NV--Violation of the COH-reported.

Thanks Tyler

Sorry I was reading down the line before I saw it was deleted. I posted #9 prior to seeing your post. Thanks again.